For serious activists only

We are swamped these days with brave new radical writing which – given the populist mood in so much of the world – seems to have an element of whistling in the wind about it.

My purpose in both the last post and this one is to take a step back and to try to identify what I might call the “perennial progressive” books – whose analysis remains fresh over time and whose programmes for where we should place our energies are credible.

Too many books are strong on the dismantling of the present and weak on the description of what should come next.

Restakis and Wainwright (in the table below) are good examples of a focus on a positive vision….as are Bregman, Cumbers, Dorling, Gibson-Graham, Olin Wright and even the Labour Party…

I have a little book on my shelves Utopia or Bust – a guide to the present crisis by Benjamin Kunkel (2014) which you can also flick by clicking the title…At one level it is superb – a nice 20 page introduction to profiles of 6 leftist writers and a 7 page Guide to Further Reading.

For me an ideal structure….we need more of this. But I’m let down by his choice of the individuals for profiling – three of them are fine (David Harvey who was one of the first to diagnose Neoliberalism; Robert Brenner and David Graeber) but the other half are cultural theorists (Jameson, Zizek and someone called Boris Groys). OK the book's author is actually a novelist and is turned on by that sort of stuff - but I have to say I was tricked by his sub-title  

Today I am looking at books written after the crash. A couple of years ago I did an annotated list of the key  titles of the past decade - there were 50 of them - trying to make sense of the new economic world in which we find ourselves. 

But this is not an updating – although several new titles are in the table….this is a prioritising – in other words a short-listing of the essential books anyone seriously interested in making sense of our contemporary world needs, in my opinion, to dip into 

I have selected 20 individuals for very short profiling – although clicking the title will often give you the entire book.
There are far fewer Americans in this list and more Europeans….I’m not sure what that says….

AFTER THE CRASH (names are in alphabetical order)

Name	Title of relevant book	What they bring to the table
Arrighi, Giovanni	Adam Smith in Beijing – lineages of the 21st Century (2007)	All activists need to take the trouble to read at least one serious overview of the global political economy. Gilpin’s “Global Political Economy” is clear but a bit outdated; and Panich and Gindin’s “The Making of Global Capitalism” also very clear but too oriented to the American Empire
Blyth, Mark	Austerity – the history of a dangerous idea; (2013)	Blyth is a political economist who trained as a political scientist and uses his understanding of early political scientists to blow the case for austerity apart.
Bregman, Rutger	Utopia for Realists – and how we can get there; (2016 Eng)	Journalist whose little book has got a high profile. It certainly is written very well but is very light and focuses mainly on universal income and the short working week. Example of great marketing
Collier, Paul	The Future of Capitalism – facing new anxieties;(2018)	Development economist whose book I found so interesting I devoted 5 posts to it
Cumbers, Andrew	Renewing Public Ownership – making space for a democratic economy (2014)	Political economist makes the case – rarely heard in 2014 – for “the people” owning natural monopolies and other assets
Davey, Brian	Credo – economic beliefs in a world of crisis (2015)	Davey trained as an economist but has moved on to community work and here treats the economic discipline as a set of religious beliefs which need to be demystified and questioned.
Dorling, Danny	A Better Politics – how government can make us happier (2016)	A geographer who can both use statistics and write very well tells some home truths. His Injustice – why social inequality persists (2010) was the best treatment I had read since Tawney
Gibson-Graham	Take Back the Economy – an ethical guide for transforming our communities (2013)	Economist and feminist. In some ways, an update of Douthwaite (1996) - although not quite so well written
Kennedy, Paul	Vampire Capitalism – fractured societies and alternative futures (2017)	A sociologist’s treatment which earns high points by stating in the very first sentence that it has “stood on the shoulders of so many giants that he is dizzy” and then proves the point by having an extensive bibliography with lots of hyperlinks…It can be read in full here
Korten, David	The Great Turning – from empire to earth community (2006)	The latest in the grand old man of activism’s series of books not only critiquing our economic system but setting out a more sensible path
Labour Party (UK)	Alternative Models of Ownership (2017)	A discussion document from the Shadow Cabinet during the 2017 election campaign
Laloux, Frederic	Reinventing Organisations; (2014)	A rare book by an organisational consultant which places the cooperative company (in its various guises) in the wider context of organ types. A must for the activist - can be downloaded in full from the link
Mander, Jerry	The Capitalism Papers – Fatal Flaws of an Obsolete System (2012)	Highly readable but strangely neglected analysis from the great American journalist and ecologist – who also wrote “Four Arguments for getting rid of Television”!
Mason, Paul	Post Capitalism – a guide to our Future (2015)	Mason is a high-profile journalist bursting with ideas and this is a well-written which does justice to both history and the implications of the new high-tech world
Mazucatto, Mariana	“The Entrepreneurial State – debunking private v public sector myths” (2013)	A long-overdue reminder of the key role played by state investment
Mintzberg, Henry	Rebalancing Society; (2014)	The Canadian management guru who was warning in 2000 of capitalist excess and then had the courage to produce this pamphlet.
Mulgan, Geoff	The Locust and the Bee – predators and creators in Capitalism’s Future (2013)	This should be an important book but is written at too high a level of generality … no entries in the index for “cooperatives” or “ownership” and no mention of Jeff Gates’ “The Ownership Solution” of 1998 despite a credit Gates gave Mulgan in his “The Ownership Solution”
Olin-Wright, Erik	Envisioning Real Utopias (2009)	One leftist made some withering suggestions that Wright operated too long in an academic sociological bubble and should have mixed more with other disciplines and perspectives… His university keeps a full range of his papers accessible here – and they are a treasure trove for the researcher.
Parker, Martin, Fournier V P Reedy	The Dictionary of Alternatives; utopianism and organisation (2007)	A fascinating collection of entries illustrating the richness of thinking about alternative futures – past and present
Restakis, John	Humanising the Economy – cooperatives in the age of capital (2010)	Written by an activist with a degree in religion! This is one of the most persuasive books about the essential contribution the cooperative spirit can make not only to our economic life but its quality. Useful summary here
Srnicek and Williams	Inventing the Future – Postcapitalism and a world without work (2015)	Sociologists who favour the “accelerationist” strategy

Streeck Wolfgang	How will Capitalism End? (2016)	a collection of this German sociologist’s key articles, many from New Left Review. Superbly written but weak on future of work and environment
Tirole, Jean	Economics for the Common Good (2017 Eng)	Nobel prize winner 2014..French Economist. This is political economy as it should be practised – taking the themes of interest to us all and reasoning seriously with us about them.
Varoufakis, Yanis	The Global Minotaur -America, the true origins of the financial crisis and the future of the western economy	A brilliant and highly readable account of how the financial crash came. For a summary see https://nomadron.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-global-minotaur.html

I will try in future posts to draw all of this together and perhaps even make some suggestions.... 

My Brains Trust - part I

I liked the idea of the little “brains trust” Paul Collier gathered round him when he was writing “The Future of Capitalism”. One of the critical remarks I have made about what is otherwise a great book is that it doesn’t mention a lot of writing which essential to the question – a few of which I point to in the first link.

And this has given me the idea of providing my own “Brains Trust” -  ie of individuals and books I would invite to help me understand better the heated debates (taking place throughout the world) about how our present economic system might be brought under control…

These posts frequently comment on this dreadful failure of those who write books on the subject to “stand on the shoulders of giants” ie to reference (let alone properly discuss) the ideas of the thousands of other writers who are contributing to this critical debate    

The best way to deal with this is via what has perhaps become this blog’s most famous feature - its tables.  

My invited guests start with those who were writing “Before the Crash” – a large selection of which I wrote about more than two years ago. I have divided my guests up in this way for several reasons but mainly because our collective memories fade so quickly these days - and some of the younger generation will therefore not even have heard of these authors and books, 

Sadly, quite a few of the authors are now dead – but their spirit and inspiration live on!

BEFORE THE CRASH (in alphabetical order)

Name	Title of relevant book	What they bring to the table
Daniel Bell	Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism (1976)	Bell was a sociologist -  with wide-ranging tastes
Hazel Henderson	Creating Alternative Futures (1978)	One of the first critiques of economics – and still going strong
Ronald Douthwaite	Short Circuit – strengthening local economies in an unstable world” (1996)	Very practical – but also inspirational….23 years on, it hasn’t really been bettered
Amitai Etzioni	The Spirit of Community – rights, responsibilities and the communitarian agenda (1995)	Another sociologist whose writings have ranged widely Recent article by the author
Marlyn Ferguson	The Aquarian Conspiracy – personal and social transformation in the 1980s (1981)	An amazing bridge between the 60s and our times
Jeff Gates	The Ownership Solution- toward a shared capitalism for the 21st Century (1998)	This is an important book of almost 400 pages which, sadly, gets forgotten perhaps because its analysis and message is a moderate one.
Susan George	“The Lugano Report: On Preserving Capitalism in the Twenty-first Century” 1999	A political scientist gives us a satirical piece which forces us to think where present forces are taking us….
Paul Hawken	Natural Capitalism – the next industrial revolution;(1999)	A persuasive vision of how green technology could revitalize capitalism
Paul Hirst	“Associative Democracy. New forms of economic and social governance” (1994) Hirst was a political scientist	Revisiting Associative Democracy; ed Westall (2011). An overdue assessment of the relevance of Paul Hirst’s ideas more than a decade after his death
Albert Hirschman	One of the most famous of his many books was called “Trespassing” since that is what he did to other disciplines – particularly political philosophy as you can see here	He was that rare animal - a much appreciated development economist! Two excellent appreciations are Albert Hirschman and the social sciences – a memorial roundtable ; and For a Better World – Albert Hirschman’s Legacy (2017)
David Korten	When Corporations Rule the World (1995) The Post-Corporate World – Life after Capitalism (1999)	Korten was one of the first to embark on serious activism as a result of his early disillusionment
Robert Kuttner	Everything for Sale – the virtues and limits of markets (1996)	An academic/journalist who has written 360 pages about the limits and about 40 on the virtues…Given the celebrationism of the time, this was very courageous
Ernst Schumacher	Small is Beautiful – economics as if people mattered (1973)	He was  an economist – employed in the UK Coal Board in the 1950s and is the inspiration for the Green movement
Richard Sennett	The Culture of the new capitalism (2006)	Sennett remains one of the few intellectuals capable of matching Daniel Bell in the lucidity of their expositions (and breadth of reading) about social trends…..
Susan Strange	Casino Capitalism  (1986)	Strange helped create the discipline of International Political Economy and wrote superbly (another of her books is “Mad Money”
Lester Thurow	The Future of Capitalism – how today’s economic forces shape tomorrow’s world (1996)	Thurow was a remarkable leftist economist who had critiqued  the economics discipline in 1983 (in Dangerous Currents) and shook conventional thinking with this book

An obvious question is what criteria I used to pick less than 20 individuals from the tens of thousands (in the English language) who have written critically about what has been happening in our world. That’s not an easy question – since it begs a more basic one about how I came to remember these particular writers and titles from my reading of the past 40 years. Most of them are in my library here in the Carpathian mountains – with a few also from the internet…So the vagaries of recall are certainly a factor – as well as the selectivity of the unconscious which will push me away from dogmatic stuff…

And clarity of language is always a consideration 

Apart from the prescient books of the 1970s, what amazes me is the number of fascinating books which were appearing just before the millennium. We really seem to have been wasting the past 20 years….

The last few years, of course, have opened the floodgates of critical writing and the

 next post will bring the story up to date with another table…..

Brexit – and its different levels of “explanation”

There have been lots of theories about “How Brexit happened” with the “explanations” generally turning out (at least in the newspapers and journals) to be little more than superficial rationalisations than serious attempts to understand what drove voters to turn out (or not) and to decide to put their cross at the top rather than at the bottom of the ballot paper…The “explanations” have included –

- The alienation/distrust of those marginalised by deindustrialisation who have been given the rather derogatory designation of “Left Behinds”
- An interpretation robustly challenged by Danny Dorling and others who correctly pointed out that it was the older, more comfortably-off conservative voters who were Leave enthusiasts
- A 25 year campaign of hostility to the EU by the tabloids – ably assisted by a maverick Daily Telegraph journalist, one BoJo. The resulting Euroscepticism is well mapped in an article “Not European Enough” (2019)

- A dramatic rise in net immigration to the UK since 2000 with results mapped in “a tangled web” 2019

- The silence of the Labour party in the campaign - giving Conservatives the freedom to be active in both the Leave and Remain campaigns

-  The  unimaginative nature of the Remain campaign – whose economic threats were seen as counterproductive

The researchers, of course, have been active – but few of their studies have surfaced in the media most of which have adopted their own particular “narrative” of the referendum result and are more interested to cover the never-ending pantomime of Brexit politics. There is, of course, one other “gatekeeper” between academia and the public namely Think Tanks which, however, focus on future policies and not on historical research.

So ordinary citizens are left on their own to google key terms and try to identify readable results of the research on voter motivation in the 2016 referendum. One of the best of these Brexit – understanding the socio-economic causes and consequences (2016) – appeared  remarkably quickly

You will notice that some of the research material resulting from that google search is very recent (2019) but I have just been reading a book which was written 2 years ago - The Lure of Greatness – England’s Brexit, America’s Trump; Anthony Barnett (2017) which I find the best analysis of the issue.

Written in Barnett’s special style which bursts with insights and references and therefore comes in at 370 pages - with each of its 34 chapters having an almost self-explanatory title such as “Jailbreak”, “The four breaches of trust”, “Roll the Dice”, “It was England’s Brexit”, “Big Britishness”, “The Legitimacy of the EU” and “No Left to Turn To”.

It is one of these rare books that you realise half-way through that you need to go back and read more closely – not only underlining (in my case in different colours) but making copious notes about….Indeed, for the first time ever, I transcribed my first set of comments into a larger notebook - partly for some of the one line quotes, partly the better to follow the argument….Barnett was the moving force behind Charter 88 and has a bit of a hobbyhorse about constitutional issues which I don’t find easy to follow..

Let me, very briefly, try to do justice to his book. He starts it by suggesting that if there is one symbol to represent the modern world it is that of the prison - with surveillance everywhere and everyone

“trapped by the way voting and its outcomes are bought, corrupted, manipulated, spun by the PR industry and calibrations of costly marketing analytics” and then arguing that

“Brexit (and Trump) are attempts at mass breakout from the marketised incarceration of contemporary corporate democracy”

The breaches of trust which have sown the dragon seeds of public distrust and sullen anger in the US and the UK are 
- first the 2003 Iraq invasion itself in the face of massive protest (which offended the liberals); 
- the subsequent destruction affecting the Middle East as a whole which was ultimately proved to have been a disaster (offending the right - which had been expecting victory and “greatness”)

- The global financial meltdown was the third breach of trust 
- and the corporate greed it revealed was the final breach (arfuably started by the parliamentary expenses scandal) . 

Many of us thought that the third breach of trust would not only lead to a rethink about globalisation but to the birth of a more balanced model - and it was Colin Crouch’s The Strange Non-Death of Neoliberalism which alerted us in 2011 that Neoliberalism was still very much alive and kicking…. Barnett puts it very eloquently –

“A democratic warming that began on the left but only became a hurricane capable of taking power after picking up force in the warm waters of the right”

He goes on to suggest that the attraction of Brexit was what he calls the “jailbreak factor” – “the experience of democracy being so confining that any offer to escape was attractive”. It’s noticeable that Remainers cited mainly economic factors for their vote (75%) whereas Leavers discounted the economic, having just 2 major concerns – ending EU decision-making and immigration. Remainers were focused on the future, Leavers on the past…..

Although Barnett was a Remainer, he is pretty savage about the EC dishonesty around the Lisbon Treaty and has a great quote about the campaign –

The UK (although he correctly argued that it was actually England) walked out of Europe on two Big British Eurosceptic boots – one marked Leave, the other Remain

He later emphasises that both Leave and Remain were run by right-wing sects – with the Labour party sulking in the undergrowth – their slogans about the future being indistinguishable, “global Britain” in one case, “world Britain” in the other….I  kid you not! I’ll finish with one final quote –

“the Brexiteers have abandoned a very ambitious but achievable aim of growing like Germany within the EU for the fantastical ambition of growing even faster while outside it”

Brexitannia (2017) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DzbctACZWY is a far more thoughtful film of an almost sociological depth based on about 200 in-depth interviews the length and breadth of the country and including commentaries. It’s reviewed here by Zero Anthropology

"Inside Europe - 10 years of turmoil" (2019) the BBC documentary referred to in the opening

Resources
Brexit Geographies – 5 provocations; (2018) Looks a good analysis 

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/explaining-brexit/

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/CSI-Brexit-4-People%E2%80%99s-Stated-Reasons-for-Voting-Leave.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5856072/pdf/PIRS-97-117.pdf

https://blog.usejournal.com/brexit-a-detailed-summary-of-what-the-hell-is-going-on-for-my-american-friends-61c92b04d9f7

http://natcen.ac.uk/media/1319222/natcen_brexplanations-report-final-web2.pdf

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/13/brexit-boris-johnson-parliament-written-constitution

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/35620/ttr-2018-special-brexit.pdf

https://www.eurozine.com/explaining-brexit/?pdf

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/author/theo-veenkamp/

https://adamtooze.com/2017/03/02/notes-global-condition-mapping-debate-around-left-behind-white-working-class/

https://braveneweurope.com/2337-2 youtube

ttps://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/on-anthony-barnett-s-lure-of-greatness/

High Drama in the Commons

Quite remarkable scenes in the House of Commons as the government's suspension of Parliament is subjected to challenge. There's still another hour or so before the parliamentarians are unceremoniously booted out of Westminster by the Government - and the country loses its democracy for the next 5 weeks.....
The session started with the high-profile Speaker of the House of Commons - John Bercow - announcing, to everyone's amazement, that he will stand down at the end of next month – regardless of what happens with any “vote of confidence” in the Government later this evening.

If ever there was one person who epitomised the modern UK drama it has been Bercow, nominally a Conservative MP…..With political, personal and even marital issues, he has embodied the human side of an institution which had almost lost public trust. He has taken the side of ordinary MPs and of those who wanted to challenge the traditional ways of doing things in this most English of institutions…..Above all he has opened up the House in an amazing variety of ways - in matters of recruitment and access.

He has shown the difference a single person can make in life........ If Brexit has been about anything, it has been about parliamentary sovereignty - and he has struggled manfully to assert that principle

Readers know that I never comment on “breaking News” but, for once, I feel this warrants breaking that rule…..of course, a part of me suspects it is part of the the “Great Game” which the English find so entertaining
The tributes to Bercow were very moving and almost brought tears to my eyes. Very noticeable was the emptiness on the Government benches (about 20 as far as I could see compared with the hundreds on the Opposition benches!!). 

And the government continued, throughout the two subsequent debates, to treat the House with contempt - bringing only a couple of Ministers in at the last moment to answer the various points made......

Is this a Coup d’Etat?

Quite astonishing that this question apparently is now the heated topic of conversation the length and breadth of the benighted land I once knew as home….with some people in little doubt that the five-week suspension of Parliament which starts next week is precisely that – and the government arguing, on the other hand, that it is a routine affair…    

These, of course, are very uncivil times in which emotional and insulting words are too casually thrown around. “Words”, however, “are important – they are all we have…..”

Some words have a precise meaning which can be undermined when used as an insult….which is perhaps what Napoleon meant when he apparently said

“Why and how are words so important that they cannot be too often used”.

Fascist is one recent example (although, for me, all adjectives ending in “ist” run this danger). TS Eliot put it best when he wrote….

“Words strain,
Crack and sometimes break, under the burden,
Under the tension, slip, slide, perish,
Decay with imprecision, will not stay in place,
Will not stay still.”

Thinking before we act or speak is always advisable…   Parents used to advise their teenage kids to “bite their tongue” after blurting out a questionable remark….but that probably shows my age…

So my first reaction is that talk of a “coup” is not all that helpful.

Wikipedia’s entry for "prorogation" is quite useful. I certainly had no recollection of John Major having used it mid March 1997 to avoid having to answer questions about the “cash for questions” affair – leading to New Labour’s election 6 weeks later…

But a lot of people have a vague memory of its use by Charles I in the 17^th century – leading to a certain event known as the English Civil War…

But, normally, the “prorogation” (or suspension) of Parliament is a routine matter lasting a few days….But there is something called the “Party Conference Season” – the 4 week period at the end of September and beginning of October when the British political parties hold their Annual Conferences.

So, technically, it is true that the prorogation adds only a few days to what, otherwise, would have been a normal parliamentary recess…..

But these, patently, are not normal times. And it has been all too easy for “Remainers” to paint the abnormally long period of prorogation as a denial of government accountability….

There are at least 2 blogs which focus entirely on constitutional issues and it is interesting to see what they have been saying. The Constitution Unit has had only one post on the question – to which its answer is very clear…it’s “improper” and should be reversed.

UK Constitutional Law has a more varied response…. And, of course, the two legal appeals so far made against the prorogation have failed – with the Supreme Court making the final decision in a week or so…

So for those of a betting nature, I would simply remind them that the government generally has the inside track…..

Update; Andrew Rawnsley of the Observer is always good for a reflective Sunday piece on the week’s politics in the UK which tries to look round all the corners…Today’s also suggests that resignation is on the cards

pps; How naive I am to complain about loose language. My blog hits have in the past week limped along at under 100 a day. Until the weekend when they first went to 500 and have in past 24 hours hit the 1000 mark......proof (if I really needed it) that it pays to use extreme language!!
ppps A very good balanced analysis from a public admin Prof with echoes of Jim Callaghan’s famous question  can be read here

Johnson's Real Game?

Blogposts zap into cyberspace and rarely get a response.
Boffy’s Blog is one of blogs I recommend on my blogroll and is run by someone who clearly sleeps with one eye open!

I feel privileged that he has taken the trouble to correct/update my last post with no fewer than two comments which I am happy to bring to my readers’ attention in a proper manner – with the relevant hyperlinks thrown in as a bonus…….  

You have missed Johnson’s real nuclear option – to which I drew attention in my post of 3 September – and that is to wait until October 17th, having spent five weeks attacking (those who deny Brexit and) the cowardice of the opposition who refuse to fight an election…….then simply resign rather than ask for an extension.

He knows the opposition is comprised of an unprincipled rabble with no concept of strategy, and wholly consumed by concern for immediate parliamentary tactics - what Lenin called “parliamentary cretinism” - and their own party interests. The Liberals have said again they will not vote to make Corby Prime Minister as head of the rabble alliance. Labour cannot possibly support anyone other than Corbyn without destroying itself.

When the rabble alliance collapses, unable to form an alternative government, this results automatically in the General Election that Johnson wants, because they only have 14 days after he resigns to do so.

He goes into the election looking principled and able to restore order, they go into it looking like the unprincipled, disorganised, squabbling rabble they actually are.

Labour's Brexit position always shaky has disintegrated again on contact with the battlefield. It now appears to be that a Labour Government would negotiate its own fantasy Brexit deal, then it would put it, along with remain to a new referendum, and in that referendum, it would then argue for a Remain vote, against its own deal that it had just wasted time negotiating.

You really could not make this nonsense up, and that indicates that the rabble alliance really do not have a clue, which is why, unfortunately, Johnson is likely to win.

This is indeed highly plausible….My thanks to Boffy for taking the trouble of drawing it to everyone’s attention. That, so far, no one else has taken up that idea is indeed a sad reflection on the British commentariat!

Update; Despite appearances, Johnson is no fool…and has revealed a ruthlessness in the past week which few had expected. In removing the whip from 21 Conservative MPs (and effectively removing the chances of their surviving as MPs in any future election), he has cleared the decks of dissenting voices and warned the remaining Tory MPs to be in no doubt of the consequences of any disloyalty to his line….

And, in the latest explosive news, a senior Minister of his has just resigned with a massive attack on his leadership for “political vandalism”.

The same story also confirms that Johnson is also this weekend considering placing a simple motion of “No Confidence” before the House and whipping Conservative MPs to support it. 

Of course, he doesn’t seem to have the votes for it any more – and the Speaker may well rule it out of order (on the basis presumably that it repeats last week’s failed motion) 

But if that is the way he goes in the next 36 hours, then it would clearly demonstrate that Boffy is right....and that his first act on October 17th will be to resign. 

My hunch is that he will not want to show his hand too soon.....and that he will not therefore seek a "No Confidence" vote on Monday

Update; The Constitution Unit blog had this post a couple of weeks ago https://constitution-unit.com/2019/08/23/might-boris-johnson-try-to-call-an-election-sooner-than-people-think/#more-8307